Get What You Want By Eliminating Your Stage Fright with Sidonie Smith
Updated: May 27, 2020
“Stage fright is not just for the stage… It's just anytime that fear stops you from taking a step.” -Sidonie Smith
Fear is your greatest enemy. It has the power to keep you from becoming who you can be. In this episode, Sidonie, an internationally known, stage actress, shares her strategies on conquering stage fright, on and off the stage. She and Shirley also discuss being introverted and how it can be a superpower, not a deficiency. Tune in to this intimate, loving conversation and learn how to overcome yourself.
02:15 A Search For Bravery
09:22 Misconception About Introverts
11:41 The Stage Fright Fight
18:08 See Your Greatness
21:50 The “You”
29:12 Expand Your Tribe
32:55 Regrets- Blessings In Disguise
03:34 “I went on a journey of finding my own bravery and I was surprised at how much was already there.” -Sidonie Smith
05:55 “Kids who are introverted can do theater. They're not actually at a disadvantage. It's a superpower. He's probably way more intuitive than he even realizes. And he's got the powers of listening, which makes such a great actor.” -Sidonie Smith
18:32 “If we can make the things that try to conquer us as tiny as they actually are, that's the stuff of moving mountains.” -Sidonie Smith
22:31 “Stage fright is not just for the stage… It's just anytime that fear stops you from taking a step.” -Sidonie Smith
25:29 “Sometimes we get confused that our duty is to be like the best one. No, you're supposed to be the you one.” -Sidonie Smith
26:43“When people come to watch your show… They want to have their lives changed by you. Right. They came for it to be filtered through you.” -Sidonie Smith
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Sidonie Smith is an in-demand international stage actress, speaker, and violinist. As a multilingual leading lady, she has starred in hit musicals such as Sister Act and Jesus Christ Superstar for the past decade. Offstage, Sid is most proud of her work as a Mindset Mastery Coach for other theater artists, supporting them practically in their pursuits to become the strongest versions of themselves- mind, spirit, and body. Her transformational coaching courses guide artists to heal their hearts in order to create great art.
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Shirley Owens: My guest today is Sidonie Smith. Sidonie is an in demand internationally stage actress, vocalist and violinist. The multilingual leading lady has starred in hit musicals such as Sister Act, Jekyll and Hyde, and Jesus Christ Superstar the world over for the past decade. Offstage, Sid is most proud of her work as a Mindset Mastery coach for other theatre artists, supporting them practically in their pursuits to become the strongest versions of themselves— mind, spirit and body.
Welcome, Sidonie. Sidonie, I love your name and I keep in -- so sorry.
Sidonie Smith: No problem, thank you so much for having me.
Shirley Owens: So I met you via Instagram. I don't even remember where it started, but somehow we introduced ourselves and then you started speaking to me through a voice recorder instead of texting back and forth. And I was like, Oh, my gosh. I love her voice, I need to know more about her. So I think we're talking about travel. I was getting ready to go to Ireland.
Sidonie Smith: Oh, yeah.
Shirley Owens: We had just discussed, did you perform all over the world, so you've lived all over the world to perform. One of the things that you had said was that voice recording was way easier for you than writing and texting so we started having that conversation back then. I have to say I was a little more nervous about doing a voice record with you than texting. So I want you to tell me how you got to where you are right now, and then we're going to talk about stage fright today. Super excited about that. So just tell me about Sidonie. Who is she? Where did you come from? I know you're in Berlin right now, so just like, wow, you're awesome.
Sidonie Smith: Well, thank you so much, first of all for that intro, I'm very happy. I'm actually from Miami, Florida. I'm an American girl. My mom is from Jamaica. So I have an immigrant family and we grew up knowing that kids should play an instrument, that was her, that was her deal. My mom's not a musician, but she just thought every kid should play an instrument. And so we started, we dabbled with piano and I didn't practice, so we moved on from there. But I had the joy of going to performing arts schools my whole life. And so even though I wasn't doing theater, I was in the music scene because we went in, we started with music theory and all of that stuff when I was seven and I ended up going to college to study Viola, the university level of Viola is an Alto version of a violin. So in the string of the family, it's the Alto voice. So yeah, I'm a classical musician but there was a moment where I just had like a light bulb, like that moment of knowing that I needed to do something else with my life. And I knew it was theater, didn't know what it was going to look like or if it would work. But the inside of me knew that there was a change to come and I went for it. Even though I was a super shy kid, that's why I didn't do theater when I was small. My mom was like, you are [inaudible] for that. I don't need you to cry when you don't get a part. That's not what we're doing. You play this violin, okay. But I went on a journey of finding my own bravery and I was surprised at how much was already there actually. And I've just come to love my own love, my introversion, because it's different from being shy. I feel like I grew out of being shy. I decided that I was brave. I'm an introvert, but I'm really brave. I started taking acting classes which would you have to be brave to do because you make a fool of yourself often. And I got a really great opportunity to go to a conservatory in Germany where there's a huge musical theater, huge Broadway scene over in Europe. I didn't even know, but that door opened and I walked right through it. And after spending two semesters in the conservatory, I started my first contract and I've been working in Europe ever since. That's been 10 years.
“I went on a journey of finding my own bravery and I was surprised at how much was already there.” -Sidonie Smith
Shirley Owens: Wow. It's amazing because I'd seen little snippets of all of your shows or some of your shows and the audiences are ridiculously large. It's just the biggest theater I've ever seen. So I have a son who's 16 and he has always been super shy, he's also a musician and he started theater last year. He wouldn't tell us, he wouldn't practice his lines in front of us. He wouldn't say anything to us at home about it. He just said, you'll just come. And he was Linus and You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown was a very large part. I literally cried through half of it because I could not believe what came out on stage.
Sidonie Smith: I'm going to cry. Oh, my gosh.
Shirley Owens: [inaudible] there to my heart to hear because to watch him go from this kind of socially awkward, shy kid to when he steps on stage, it just flows. And he's so good at it, he's so beautiful. I feel like I'm talking, I'm hearing the same thing over because he's an introvert, but you put him on a stage and he's an extrovert.
Sidonie Smith: Let me tell you, my life dream is to work with children who want to do theater but feel too shy. I'm working on a project right now that's online based, but I really want to, once we're allowed to go outside everyday, I want to get in the trenches because kids who are introverted can do theater. They're not actually at a disadvantage. It's a super power. He's probably way more intuitive than he even realizes. And he's got the powers of listening, which makes such a great actor. You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown is my favorite musical by the way.
“Kids who are introverted can do theater. They're not actually at a disadvantage. It's a superpower. He's probably way more intuitive than he even realizes. And he's got the powers of listening, which makes such a great actor.” -Sidonie Smith
Shirley Owens: But I snuck some so I'll have to send it. But yeah, just to see him having an outlet to be able to just be funny and crazy, and he walks with his blanket. He's also a ballroom dancer. So he gets on stage and something just comes out. Anyway, it's just been so theater super close to me. I took drama and I've always been fine off stage, but put me on a stage, or in front of a mic, or on a camera and I'm like, so I'm the opposite. My son, his name's Saber, he keeps saying, mom, you just gotta do it, just let go. And so for him, that's the place where he can be himself or he can be something else. And I'm super interested in what you're doing. So I want to talk more about that at the end because that would be something that I would be interested in having him learn from you. So I love it, I love it.
Sidonie Smith: So exciting. The day that I realized that my introversion was my super power, I just have the biggest epiphany because a lot of the people that we look up to as fine actors and actresses are actually introverts. It doesn't mean that we don't have the same energy that we can't give. It just means that when it's all said and done, we probably want to go read a book somewhere and be by herself to kind of like recharge. But introverts really rock on stage. They really do.
Shirley Owens: Well, I think it's funny they said that. I read this whole thing about it because I remember this things on, freshman year, I think he was in choir because he didn't want to take, he had played instruments so he, I was had my kids do two years of an instrument or music, some sort of music, just give them that broad spectrum. Anyway, so he was, I remember I had a parent/teacher conference and I was so worried about him because he didn't have a ton of friends outside of the house. He loved being in his room, super quiet. And I brought up this concern with his teachers and his choir teacher said to me, have you ever thought that maybe Saber loves being alone, maybe he just enjoys it, and that he's an introvert, and that that's okay. And I think being an extrovert, I've always thought of introverts as something not right. I studied introversion and realized that you're right, some of the most amazing people in the world are introverts. And it's actually a super power. Like you say, it's not negative, it's just two different kinds of people. And it's just, I dunno, I've really been studying a lot and I think it's pretty awesome that the world is looking at introverts as something different, and special, and beautiful. And it really is like, I feel like all the very smart people I know are like that. Some of us have to make up for all of that by outwardly being excited and being in the world. And I see Saber's just perfectly happy and content with being alone, being in his room, reading books, playing the computer, whatever, and then when he steps on stage, it's something else.
Sidonie Smith: It really is magical. I think you're an amazing mom for researching and finding out because for years and years that was a general thought that people who are introverted, it wasn't quite right and they need to be brought out of a shell, or maybe there's something missing. That's really not the case, especially when you see how, it's just two sides of the same coin because I'm never putting down my extroverted brothers and sisters out there. I think that we're all amazing and you have so much to give. But I do remember trying to fit into the extroverted shoes of my friends and relatives and it just didn't fit, the shoes just didn't fit. They were like too narrow, or too big, or they just, it wasn't for me. And my mom says the same thing. I have been performing for 11 years now over here and she's always like, you're really funny. I didn't know you were funny. I'm like, mom, I still can't believe you talk to people on stage, it's crazy. That's what I do for a living.
Shirley Owens: Your mom is so funny. My other children are athletes and singers, they just have always been out. So it was just fun to actually show up at that play. And I loved that. He just kept that from me because he was just like, no way mom, you're not going to see any of it until that day because he was so shy to do it at home. So funny thing that he did that because it was a surprise for us. And I want to talk a little bit about stage frights, I know that you are a coach and you help people to master that. I have stage fright, I really do. I get up on a stage and it's so hard for me to see, but I do that for a living. So I speak, I am an author at my podcast, I teach people, I'm creating an online course, all of these things that have me have to be in front of a camera, and right before I get on, every single time I'm just overcome with fear. And some of the things I think too much, and if I can't, if I'm not just being myself, I just mess up because fear takes over that. So I want you to speak into that a little bit if you can.
Sidonie Smith: It's one of the areas that I spent a lot of time studying, setting myself in how I take and talking with people especially in the industry. But I was telling you before we started recording that when I started talking about stage, on social media, the feedback was not just from performers, it was not just from public speakers and people who have podcasts, it was from everybody especially because so many people have brought their businesses online right now and they're getting on Zoom, and they are sweating. I get it because at the end of the day, I am not shy anymore. I'm trying not to ever live in fear. I mean, I'm still the same human. Actually before we got on, I did a little bit and I was like, okay guys, this is my stage fright stuff in action. I am so nervous. I'm about to go on a podcast interview. And so let me take you through what I'm going to do. I was feeding really, really consciously, and one of the things that works for me so well is visualizing the end. So I started to think about, you know what? I get to call my publicist and say we had the best conversation ever. We connected right away. We had so much fun. I always knew what I wanted to say and we totally identified it funny. I started to just visualize the conversation I'm going to have when it's all done, and I'm going to watch the crown and be so happy that it went so well. I use this on stage and that's so funny that we connected right away. And because I put myself in the energy of relief and joy rather than anticipation, and anxiety, and fear. I do this on stage too.
I did a show called The Bodyguard for three years, and that's based on the movie that Whitney Houston started in that show. A lot of shows start in an intimidating way, but this show, I'm in the rafter, so I would guess 30 or 40 feet above the audience before the show. I can hear them, but I can't see them. I can look down and see my castmates who are not nervous, like buzzing around and I'm like, Oh, okay. So when the curtain opens, it's this big like bombastic Beyonce inspired opening. The curtains open, I fly in and then I go down the tiniest set of stairs ever in super high heels. And then I start the show where I have 14 Whitney Houston songs. It's really quite intimidating. So when I was up in the sky like a little bird waiting for the thing to start and hearing everybody, waiting to see something great and I was like, wait a minute, that's something great. It's gotta be me. Holy crap, that's my job, alright. I was imagining the end. I was putting myself in my finale gown, not because I wanted to wish it away, but because I want to get in that energy of not only did it go well, but I had a great time. If I was focusing on something, maybe it was enunciation in a particular song, I think that went really well. And I actually not only do, I imagine the end is, I kind of put a little bit of, I'm going to call it choreography, but it's almost like adding a line that I just say in my head that the first big, big number is called Queen Of The Night. It's in the movie too and it is huge. It is like pirate fire dancers popping up from under the stage and it's really insane.
And I remember there's a moment where I was halfway through and every single time I would sing a certain note, I knew I would turn upstage with all of this attitude in my mind, I go, this is going really well. And it was almost part of the song for me. I would never say it out loud, but it was part of the song. No matter how I felt about my performance, I would say: "Oh, yeah, this is going really well." What happened in my head every single time, I was checking myself out to do the rest of the show. Because honestly, the little things that I might've picked about the first five minutes of my performance, nobody saw them. But they would, if I focused on them, they would see me falling apart for the rest of the three hours. So that is some of the stuff that I really, really love. And it really, so much of it is about getting to know yourself. What I've been talking about a lot on social media today is asking yourself the question of why and when. So for example, if you are about to deliver a speech in your case and you know you're feeling nervous because whatever signs that happen for you, my jaw quivers when I'm nervous, it starts to feel really cold. And then my dog, quivers mower, whatever your signs are starts to come up. Start to ask yourself why you're afraid? Because sometimes it's such a small thing. And once you analyze it, you can squish it like a bug. It could be that a certain person is watching today. It could be that you feel like, Oh, I'll mess this up. Or I feel like I failed at this before. Or it could be that you don't like your outfit. It could be something so small that you're like, you know what? If I changed my shoes, I'd feel better because I'm nervous about tripping up these stairs. Sometimes it's a really tiny thing. So if you ask yourself why, even if you can't fix it in that moment, it's something that you can kind of like squish down and placing your hand, and take a look at it and go, okay, now that I know what's bothering me, now that I know what about this I'm afraid of, I can make a plan as to how to take care of it. And the second question I always ask myself is WHEN. So is it right before the show? Is right before a certain number? Is it before I have to pronounce a really exotic name like Sidonie? When does it come up for me? Because that also makes us fear smaller. It makes it more compact so you can, rather than being overwhelmed by it and know that you're bigger than it, and you're taking a look at it like, okay, I'm about to break you down. And even if it didn't work the first time, you still have seen it for what it is. It's something much smaller than you. You are much greater than it.
Shirley Owens: It's awareness. It's really just being aware. Awareness is like my favorite thing ever because it seems like, once you're aware of whatever it is, it just--
Sidonie Smith: Yeah, it really does. And I have tried all kinds of things that work for me, but awareness is my favorite because in the mindset work that I do, I love to encourage people to see their greatness. We are just so expensive and so shoot, we are so powerful and much more so than we even recognize. And if we can make the things that try to conquer us as tiny as they actually are, men, oh, men, oh, men. To me, that's the stuff of moving mountains. Because what if the mountain isn't that big?
“If we can make the things that try to conquer us as tiny as they actually are, that's the stuff of moving mountains.” -Sidonie Smith
Shirley Owens: So true. It's just so true. And I think that, at least for me as you're speaking about it, I'm thinking about what is it? So what is it that worries me? And I think that I am getting better all the time. So before I do a show, I used to get really worked up and I used to spend so much time setting up my computer, setting my mind, thinking about it. And now I almost purposefully just get ready in the last half hour running, grab my water, run in, tell everyone to be quiet, close the door. Look at my computer, turn it on. And then I'm like, Oh, Hey, how are you? You know? And so I used to plan out what I was going to say. I used to, I had a fear. What if I forget what I was going to say? So when you say that, that's my what? What if I forget what I was gonna say. So then I just quit planning. My guests are such dynamic, amazing people that we're never going to be at a loss for words. I'm going to want to ask so many questions so much that if I plan it out, it doesn't come from the heart. It's not organic. And that was something that kinda got me through this part. Well, then for a long time I just did audio because I was like, wait, I've got to interact and what about look good, or what if I don't? What if something just doesn't go right and someone doesn't want to watch my show? You just start to go through all these things. You're like, that's just so dumb. I did tell the other day and I have no lashes, it's like quarantine makeup. It's fine. People aren't going to stop listening to me because I didn't have the right makeup or whatever. So it's kind of cool. Like you said, just smashed things down into something super small and then just blow it away or let it go.
Sidonie Smith: Oh, I love that image. You've just blown it away.
Shirley Owens: Put it on your hand and I keep thinking like you're just going to -- it's fun. What areas of life do we see people struggling with that same type of fear as they're like, just everyday life.
Sidonie Smith: I see it in how we speak about ourselves. A lot of times in people's language, I can hear them apologizing for who they are when they have no need. I'm guilty of this myself too. I check myself on this all the time, it's not to say that we should walk around knocking everybody over and not saying excuse me. It's just that we have a right to take up space too. I feel like a lot of times we simply don't show up at all because we're afraid, whether it is on social media, or in our businesses, or with our families where we should speak up because a certain thing is not working for us. Stage fright is not just for the stage. We could call it performance anxiety, we could call it a [inaudible] thing, but any time that fear stops you from taking a step, that's all it is. And it's present for all of us. One thing that really encourages me is that all of the people I look up to feel afraid at times, even years into their careers, in their casts. I mean, they still have moments where they feel afraid, or don't feel like they nailed it, or feel intimidated by something or someone and they're still out there slang, which means it's possible. It's possible to march straight through the fear, it's also possible to ball it up in your fingers and flick it away, or blow it away as you said so beautifully.
“Stage fright is not just for the stage… It's just anytime that fear stops you from taking a step.” -Sidonie Smith
Shirley Owens: Or someone like that who said that, still after 500 and something filming, they still get super nervous before they get on stage. I think one point you're saying, one of the fears that I had at one time was speaking. I had this big conference that was scheduled and I was one of four keynote speakers, and as the only female. I had some pretty sticky subjects to talk to couples about. And I remember just thinking like, what if I just don't give them what they need? And I had talked to a really good friend of ours who's a coach. He does some speaking stuff and he said: "Just be you. When you are aligned 100% of the time, it doesn't matter if you're speaking to one person or 10,000 people, it's the same message. Just feel aligned. You always have the answer when you do." We're always something else, or be as amazing as someone else, or show up as someone else. I think it's super important to realize that when we show up as ourselves, it just comes through as authentic and real, and you always have an answer. Or if you don't have an answer, that's okay too because that's your answer. And I think about that on stage, it's never really clicked, but it's clicking with me right now. If you show up on stage as Sidonie performing as Whitney Houston, or her forming all these other people, you're still you being them. And it's you that draws the audience, it's you that captures them. It's you that, it's when you're trying to be something else where maybe it doesn't come across. Am I right?
Sidonie Smith: I 100% resonate with that. That is on the nose because in show business, especially, you're rarely the only person who has played that role. And sometimes, other people who play that role are also on the stage or also in the house just in case you break your leg or something. There are so many brilliant people in the industry, in showbiz, and sometimes we get confused that our duty is to be the best one. No, you're supposed to be the YOU ONE.
“Sometimes we get confused that our duty is to be like the best one. No, you're supposed to be the you one.” -Sidonie Smith
Shirley Owens: Exactly.
Sidonie Smith: It's the best. It's art, it's not mathematical. You can get an A plus. That's not how it works. So the day that I decided that I was enough, and this version of The Bodyguard has ME all over it, and that's what makes it super duper special. The fans are so sweet because they come to every combination possible. They want to see everybody play all the different roles that they have on their roster. And they're really amazing at not putting down any performance or exalting one over the other and just loving the different humans that embody this role. Because comparing myself to another woman has never made me sing better, or dance better, or kick higher, or troll faster. But relaxing into the version of it that I do is so rewarding for me and also for the audience. I know because when people come to watch your show, yes, they're there for the information. Yes, they're there to have their lives changed, but they want to have their lives changed by you.
“When people come to watch your show… They want to have their lives changed by you. Right. They came for it to be filtered through you.” -Sidonie Smith
Shirley Owens: Right.
Sidonie Smith: They came for it to be filtered through you. You are the better.
Shirley Owens: And I think that carries on for life too because I know that there's no one like me, and I'm sure there are plenty of people that are glad about that. I, myself, I could be called crazy, or amazing, or all these different things, but when it's a combination of just who I am, no matter what people get served, it's when I'm trying to be something different. When I'm trying to be what I think they want, then I get in my head and then I'm not me. So yeah, I think when she can relax into who you are, it just becomes so beautiful. And I think of you and I relationship, and how you were just you, and I was just me, I get contacted on Instagram everyday by people, there's like two or three people and that's it that I've really connected with. And honestly have plans to go visit in other countries. And I feel like you and I connected, because in that little space that we were talking in, we were just us. I don't remember what it was that you did. I'm like, wait, is she a coach? Is she an actress? I had to go look because you were just you, loving and serving me. And it was the same thing. I just think that's so important for people to remember is when you can show up as you, you're 10 times more dynamic.
Sidonie Smith: It really speaks to people because you're giving them permission to be themselves too. If I get on an audio message on Instagram and think, Oh, they might think this is weird. Okay, I'm going to type something out instead. I don't think it serves anybody. I could just be my normal goofy, silly self. Like, I'm so sorry if this is too invasive, but I like to talk on Instagram. So here I am and you kind of get a picture, a real, more clear picture of who I am rather than thinking, okay, I don't know this person personally, so I need to write something that's very formal. It's not me. Why? Why should I do that?
Shirley Owens: Well, I remember, I think this was over a year ago. I remember getting in the car and a message coming up for you, and me getting excited to listen. I tell my husband: "Babe, my friend." I thought it was the dummy. I called it out for you -- "My friend, Sidonie, has left another message again." And he's just like, wait? Well, I don't. And I'm like: "No, you gotta listen to her voice. I love her voice. She's just going to tell me about Italy." And it was just so funny because yesterday I said: "Oh, guess who I'm interviewing tomorrow? Remember my friend Sidonie?" And he remembered because that was just such a special thing. You will find your tribe. You will find people who won't respond back to you or might think that's weird. Another thing is when you're aligned with yourself, you attract the people that are meant to. It's such a free way to live.
Sidonie Smith: Pretty great. And what a time to be alive where it's so easy to connect with people all over the world who are like minded. It's so cool. Your tribe doesn't have to be confined to people in your region because there are just a huge number of people who would resonate with your message and your vibe, and you can reach out to them on social media and maybe it'll click, maybe it won't, but it might. And that is so exciting.
Shirley Owens: Erase that stage fright part of, what if it doesn't? It's okay if it doesn't, right? Because somebody or someone who does. So I wanted to ask you a question. If someone came to you today, or all of our listeners are here listening and we're in 17 countries, five continents. So this is like super universal, and I feel that we all suffer from some sort of stage. What would be something that you could leave with our listeners today that they could use and whether it be the WHEN and WHAT, or something else. What is one thing you could leave with them that they could start practicing today to start getting what they want by eliminating that stage?
Sidonie Smith: I want to encourage all the listeners out there that they're not alone in this. There is no requirement for you to conquer this today. There are some things that will fly away as soon as you identify them. And there's some things that you have to chip away at, and that's okay. I love when I identify what I'm nervous about. If I think, Oh, no, what if that note is a little shaky? Or what if my costume, you know? What if I'm bigger than the other girls I know? What are people going to think? I imagine if someone else was that, what would I think? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I'd be looking at her smile and her eyes and be blown away by her performance, and I would have a great night. That's so encouraging to me because I know that I attract people that are like me, that are actually caring and paying attention to the things that matter. I think if I saw a colleague or stranger on stage, I would not be waiting for them to mess up. So why am I waiting for myself to mess up? I want to be just as kind to myself as I am to everyone around me.
Shirley Owens: So huge. I always love that advice has people turning back to themselves and looking back within themselves because you cannot go wrong when you do that. The other question I love to ask is, is there anything that you regret or would do differently in your life?
Sidonie Smith: Ooh, well, I used to be kind of down on the dumps that I didn't start theater earlier because like I said, when I wanted to start taking drama lessons when I was nine, my mom said, no. And for years after that, I was like, Oh, man, I could be so mature there. I could be a better dancer by now. But my story is so cool the way it happened that I let all that go. First of all, parents are all out there doing the best they can. My mom saw that I could get hurt and she tried to protect me. And in the meantime, I picked up a really, really cool skill that I still mark as part of my acting. Sometimes people call me [inaudible] because I play the violin. It's wild and it's something that I could never have planned out. So that's how I look back. That was the biggest regret and I've turned it around because it's been one of my biggest blessings. Sometimes I wish I had started believing in myself sooner, but I bet you that now that I get to help other people, I just hit some good bumps that I will never forget, that I can pass along to them, maybe save them some trouble.
Shirley Owens: So I want to know, I want you to tell me and our listeners how we can get in touch with you. Give us your website, any information you want to share so that people can reach out to you.
Sidonie Smith: Well, you can find me on the internet at sidonie.live, it's spelled S-I-D-O-N-I-E.L-I-V-E, and that's where you find all this stuff about my coaching. I'm coming out with a stage fight solutions program this week, super duper excited about that, and links from there, you can find out where I'm performing. I'm going to be on tour soon and I am one of those Instagram people. You can always find me on Instagram, search Sidonie Smith. I'll be the one with the big hair.
Shirley Owens: Well, thank you so much for being here. You've been such a blessing. I am so happy that we finally got to meet face to face.
Sidonie Smith: What a treat. Thank you so much